From Jihad Watch:
A Muslim response to FrontPage Magazine's interview with The Anti Jihadist
Recently I had the opportunity to be interviewed by FrontPage Magazine's editor Jamie Glazov. In case you haven't yet read it, the main thrust of the interview was regarding the ongoing persecution of minority non Muslims in Malaysia at the hands of the Muslim/Malay majority. The lengthy track record of substandard treatment and discrimination of non Muslims in general and Christians in particular should make it clear to everyone what's going on in Malaysia and why.
Most of the comments that I received at FrontPage were supportive, but a few comments, apparently from Muslims, were not so charitable. One in particular, from someone called 'Ibrahim', stood out. Namely, his comment stood out in its dis-ingenuousness, its contempt of the truth, and flagrant twisting or outright omission of the facts. Given these characteristics (as well as the writer's mangled grammar), this writer is almost certainly not only a Muslim, but a fervent Muslim supporter of Malaysia's Muslim-controlled government. So in that regard, this comment stands as yet another useful peek into the cognitive dissonance that the counterjihad is up against.
So I've taken the liberty of reproducing most of 'Ibrahim's' comment here and showing just how many lies and distortions a taqiyya-spewing Muslim can pack into one (very long) paragraph.
...[The Anti Jihadist] did not not show the numbers of Christians persecuted in Malaysia and the years when they were persecuted.
As if my failing to produce a statistic or specific dates somehow makes Islamic persecution in this country less real. Since Malaysia's pro-Islamic courts, police and government were all set up by Muslims, for Muslims, and to ensure Islam remains dominant culturally, socially, and politically in perpetuity, the number of Christians in Malaysia subjected to Islamic degradation encompasses every Christian now on Malaysian soil. According to the CIA Factbook, Christians make up 9.1% of the population of Malaysia, which translates to approximately 2.5 million people. This number does not even begin to define the problem, as other persecuted non Muslim minorities (Hindus, Buddhists, etc.) are left out. And most importantly, we can never know with certainty the number of former Muslims in Malaysia, who are either thrown into religious prisons for their trouble, or stay quiet out of fear.
The tragedy of May 13, 1969 was not between Muslims and non-Muslims and it had nothing to do with any religion and its adherents. The tragedy took place in the big cities like Kuala Lumpur, Ipoh and Penang between the political supporters of Democratic Action Party and those who opposed then when they celebrated their victory of the Malaysian general elections took place in that month and year.
Funny, I don't recall mentioning 'May 13, 1969' in my interview, and yet this Muslim commenter has gone out of his way to disavow Islam and Muslims from this 'tragedy'. So that should tell everybody that something here smells quite fishy indeed.
The May 13th incident was not a "tragedy" at all, like a tornado or a flood are tragedies. And the general election going on at the time was merely a convenient pretext. May 13th was a crime of mass murder, a deliberate attack by Muslims (Malays) against non Muslims (mostly indigenous Chinese) who were a bit too uppity and successful for their own good. We do know that the loudspeakers of mosques were used by the rioters to incite the rioters to carry on during those dark days, which suggests at least some level of 'official' Islamic involvement. No one, in fact, was ever charged or prosecuted. Hundreds or perhaps thousands died, with the vast majority of them being non Muslims. But thanks to the Malaysian government's cover-up and obfuscation of the facts for decades, the exact death toll will probably never be known.
And this jihadist-inspired pogrom of May 13th, 42 years ago, resulted in a handsome payoff the Malays. It was the instigator of the so-called 'New Economic Programme', which amounts to nothing more than a thinly-disguised government-run jizya scheme that has profited Malays handsomely, all at the expense of non Muslims. It continues in Malaysia to this day.
May 13th was not an isolated case. Other countries in southeast Asia have also had 'May 13' style incidents -- including Indonesia in 1965-6 & 1998 and Singapore in 1964 -- all when Muslims attacked non Muslims (usually Chinese) with great ferocity and enormous loss of life. At least 500,000 Chinese died in the 1965-66 Indonesian riots alone.
The judges in Malaysian courts are all Muslims are not the fact of Malaysian judiciary system and practice. There are non-Muslim judges in Malaysian courts too.
The presence of a small number of non Muslim judges in the Malaysian justice system does not in any way negate the fact that the Malaysian justice system has long been co-opted to serve the interests of Islam and Muslims. The Lina Joy case bears this out, as I shall explain in a moment.
The Malaysian Christian convert Lina Joy was not detained or prisoned (sic). She is free to her application to delete the word Islam from her Malaysian identity card, MyKad, was rejected by the courts in Malaysia, lower, high, appealed and federal courts since Malaysian law provided for Muslims to go to the Shariah Court to apply to change her religion from Islam to other religion.
Lina Joy, for those who are unaware of the facts, is a Malay who had the misfortune to be 'born' as a Muslim. Once she was an adult, she freely and of her own accord embraced Christianity. However, she had the further misfortune, as a Malaysian, to be forced to have her religion listed on her identity card that all Malaysians, by law, must carry on their persons at all times. Having one's religion listed on an identity card already constitutes a gross government intrusion into a citizen's privacy, but it gets worse. When Lina Joy went to the highest court in the country to try and remove the word 'Islam' from her ID card, the court ruled against her. The non Muslim judge was the sole dissenting voice on the panel. In the aftermath Lina Joy dropped from public view altogether, apparently not feeling safe from people like 'Ibrahim', and my understanding is that she has since left the country for safer (non Muslim) shores.
Ibrahim also neglected to mention that the Shariah courts in this country have never granted permission for anyone 'born' to Islam to leave it. So even if Lina had gone to the Shariah courts, enduring yet more years of harassment and humiliation, she would have not only been denied her freedom as supposedly guaranteed by Malaysia's constitution, but she also would have been undoubtedly thrown into a government 'religious purification centre' (a prison) for 'treatment'.
Malaysian terrorist Azahari Husin did not kill any Christian in Malaysia since he was active in Indonesia before he was killed by Indonesian policemen.
We are supposed to be comforted by the fact that Azahari killed no one in Malaysia? For some reason I find that hardly comforting. And 'active' is of course a euphemism for actively murdering Australians, hotel guests, tourists, party-goers, and anyone else who was unfortunate enough to be in the vicinity of Azahari Husin's explosives. And where did Husin get these unfortunate ideas from? Ibrahim, would you care to explain? Azahari certainly wasn't living in Indonesia when he decided to 'serve a higher cause'.
Regarding the difficulty for the Christians to acquire land lots to build new churches, their difficulty was not due to the protests from the Muslims but they have to fulfill the laws and by-laws in the cities or towns where the churches were intended to be constructed.
Ibrahim won't tell you that these laws and by-laws are designed to discriminate precisely against non Muslim houses of worship. For example of this, consider one Catholic church in Malaysia which took 28 years to construct and was completed in 2005. The Roman Catholic Church of the Divine Mercy in Shah Alam was only allowed to be built in an industrial estate. Other churches are forced to operate in shop lots -- and the unlucky ones get demolished. And don't forget that 79 temples have been destroyed in the last 54 years in this country. That's how 'fair' these Muslim-written laws and by-laws are.
By spreading the false news about Islam's persecution of Christians in Malaysia, it is very serious and bad strategy for Muslims and Christians in Malaysia because if Muslims and Christians happen to believe and react to such false news, the imagined attacks may become real.
So far, the only person spreading 'false news' about Islam's persecution of Christians in Malaysia is you, Ibrahim. And note the naked threat of violence here -- if we infidels don't stop complaining about the persecution which Ibrahim vehemently denies existing, well, then we'll be attacked by, um, someone. Attacked by Buddhists perhaps? Or might those people be your co-religionists, Ibrahim? And would you be among them?
Do not put Malaysia in the same categories with other countries where there wars or killings between Muslims and Christians like happening in Sudan and Nigeria and some other majority Muslim countries.
How dare I put Malaysia in the same category as other Muslim-ruled states! Where would I get the idea that Muslims would carry out large scale killings of Christians? Oh that's right -- it's already happening and been happening in many majority Muslim countries. Sudan and Nigeria are the mere tip of the iceberg.
Posted by The Anti-Jihadist on June 25, 2011 7:20 AM
A Muslim response to FrontPage Magazine's interview with The Anti Jihadist
Recently I had the opportunity to be interviewed by FrontPage Magazine's editor Jamie Glazov. In case you haven't yet read it, the main thrust of the interview was regarding the ongoing persecution of minority non Muslims in Malaysia at the hands of the Muslim/Malay majority. The lengthy track record of substandard treatment and discrimination of non Muslims in general and Christians in particular should make it clear to everyone what's going on in Malaysia and why.
Most of the comments that I received at FrontPage were supportive, but a few comments, apparently from Muslims, were not so charitable. One in particular, from someone called 'Ibrahim', stood out. Namely, his comment stood out in its dis-ingenuousness, its contempt of the truth, and flagrant twisting or outright omission of the facts. Given these characteristics (as well as the writer's mangled grammar), this writer is almost certainly not only a Muslim, but a fervent Muslim supporter of Malaysia's Muslim-controlled government. So in that regard, this comment stands as yet another useful peek into the cognitive dissonance that the counterjihad is up against.
So I've taken the liberty of reproducing most of 'Ibrahim's' comment here and showing just how many lies and distortions a taqiyya-spewing Muslim can pack into one (very long) paragraph.
...[The Anti Jihadist] did not not show the numbers of Christians persecuted in Malaysia and the years when they were persecuted.
As if my failing to produce a statistic or specific dates somehow makes Islamic persecution in this country less real. Since Malaysia's pro-Islamic courts, police and government were all set up by Muslims, for Muslims, and to ensure Islam remains dominant culturally, socially, and politically in perpetuity, the number of Christians in Malaysia subjected to Islamic degradation encompasses every Christian now on Malaysian soil. According to the CIA Factbook, Christians make up 9.1% of the population of Malaysia, which translates to approximately 2.5 million people. This number does not even begin to define the problem, as other persecuted non Muslim minorities (Hindus, Buddhists, etc.) are left out. And most importantly, we can never know with certainty the number of former Muslims in Malaysia, who are either thrown into religious prisons for their trouble, or stay quiet out of fear.
The tragedy of May 13, 1969 was not between Muslims and non-Muslims and it had nothing to do with any religion and its adherents. The tragedy took place in the big cities like Kuala Lumpur, Ipoh and Penang between the political supporters of Democratic Action Party and those who opposed then when they celebrated their victory of the Malaysian general elections took place in that month and year.
Funny, I don't recall mentioning 'May 13, 1969' in my interview, and yet this Muslim commenter has gone out of his way to disavow Islam and Muslims from this 'tragedy'. So that should tell everybody that something here smells quite fishy indeed.
The May 13th incident was not a "tragedy" at all, like a tornado or a flood are tragedies. And the general election going on at the time was merely a convenient pretext. May 13th was a crime of mass murder, a deliberate attack by Muslims (Malays) against non Muslims (mostly indigenous Chinese) who were a bit too uppity and successful for their own good. We do know that the loudspeakers of mosques were used by the rioters to incite the rioters to carry on during those dark days, which suggests at least some level of 'official' Islamic involvement. No one, in fact, was ever charged or prosecuted. Hundreds or perhaps thousands died, with the vast majority of them being non Muslims. But thanks to the Malaysian government's cover-up and obfuscation of the facts for decades, the exact death toll will probably never be known.
And this jihadist-inspired pogrom of May 13th, 42 years ago, resulted in a handsome payoff the Malays. It was the instigator of the so-called 'New Economic Programme', which amounts to nothing more than a thinly-disguised government-run jizya scheme that has profited Malays handsomely, all at the expense of non Muslims. It continues in Malaysia to this day.
May 13th was not an isolated case. Other countries in southeast Asia have also had 'May 13' style incidents -- including Indonesia in 1965-6 & 1998 and Singapore in 1964 -- all when Muslims attacked non Muslims (usually Chinese) with great ferocity and enormous loss of life. At least 500,000 Chinese died in the 1965-66 Indonesian riots alone.
The judges in Malaysian courts are all Muslims are not the fact of Malaysian judiciary system and practice. There are non-Muslim judges in Malaysian courts too.
The presence of a small number of non Muslim judges in the Malaysian justice system does not in any way negate the fact that the Malaysian justice system has long been co-opted to serve the interests of Islam and Muslims. The Lina Joy case bears this out, as I shall explain in a moment.
The Malaysian Christian convert Lina Joy was not detained or prisoned (sic). She is free to her application to delete the word Islam from her Malaysian identity card, MyKad, was rejected by the courts in Malaysia, lower, high, appealed and federal courts since Malaysian law provided for Muslims to go to the Shariah Court to apply to change her religion from Islam to other religion.
Lina Joy, for those who are unaware of the facts, is a Malay who had the misfortune to be 'born' as a Muslim. Once she was an adult, she freely and of her own accord embraced Christianity. However, she had the further misfortune, as a Malaysian, to be forced to have her religion listed on her identity card that all Malaysians, by law, must carry on their persons at all times. Having one's religion listed on an identity card already constitutes a gross government intrusion into a citizen's privacy, but it gets worse. When Lina Joy went to the highest court in the country to try and remove the word 'Islam' from her ID card, the court ruled against her. The non Muslim judge was the sole dissenting voice on the panel. In the aftermath Lina Joy dropped from public view altogether, apparently not feeling safe from people like 'Ibrahim', and my understanding is that she has since left the country for safer (non Muslim) shores.
Ibrahim also neglected to mention that the Shariah courts in this country have never granted permission for anyone 'born' to Islam to leave it. So even if Lina had gone to the Shariah courts, enduring yet more years of harassment and humiliation, she would have not only been denied her freedom as supposedly guaranteed by Malaysia's constitution, but she also would have been undoubtedly thrown into a government 'religious purification centre' (a prison) for 'treatment'.
Malaysian terrorist Azahari Husin did not kill any Christian in Malaysia since he was active in Indonesia before he was killed by Indonesian policemen.
We are supposed to be comforted by the fact that Azahari killed no one in Malaysia? For some reason I find that hardly comforting. And 'active' is of course a euphemism for actively murdering Australians, hotel guests, tourists, party-goers, and anyone else who was unfortunate enough to be in the vicinity of Azahari Husin's explosives. And where did Husin get these unfortunate ideas from? Ibrahim, would you care to explain? Azahari certainly wasn't living in Indonesia when he decided to 'serve a higher cause'.
Regarding the difficulty for the Christians to acquire land lots to build new churches, their difficulty was not due to the protests from the Muslims but they have to fulfill the laws and by-laws in the cities or towns where the churches were intended to be constructed.
Ibrahim won't tell you that these laws and by-laws are designed to discriminate precisely against non Muslim houses of worship. For example of this, consider one Catholic church in Malaysia which took 28 years to construct and was completed in 2005. The Roman Catholic Church of the Divine Mercy in Shah Alam was only allowed to be built in an industrial estate. Other churches are forced to operate in shop lots -- and the unlucky ones get demolished. And don't forget that 79 temples have been destroyed in the last 54 years in this country. That's how 'fair' these Muslim-written laws and by-laws are.
By spreading the false news about Islam's persecution of Christians in Malaysia, it is very serious and bad strategy for Muslims and Christians in Malaysia because if Muslims and Christians happen to believe and react to such false news, the imagined attacks may become real.
So far, the only person spreading 'false news' about Islam's persecution of Christians in Malaysia is you, Ibrahim. And note the naked threat of violence here -- if we infidels don't stop complaining about the persecution which Ibrahim vehemently denies existing, well, then we'll be attacked by, um, someone. Attacked by Buddhists perhaps? Or might those people be your co-religionists, Ibrahim? And would you be among them?
Do not put Malaysia in the same categories with other countries where there wars or killings between Muslims and Christians like happening in Sudan and Nigeria and some other majority Muslim countries.
How dare I put Malaysia in the same category as other Muslim-ruled states! Where would I get the idea that Muslims would carry out large scale killings of Christians? Oh that's right -- it's already happening and been happening in many majority Muslim countries. Sudan and Nigeria are the mere tip of the iceberg.
Posted by The Anti-Jihadist on June 25, 2011 7:20 AM
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